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I've been preparing and reading , One thing I have noticed that no one talks about "Reality". The end of the world is going to be slow and steady. Start off with gas price out of control, nuke in mid East, all shipments from that area will stop (radioactive) . Now food prices will rise , fuel and ammo.Power will probably be on and off and anything else you can think of. So what to do? Bug out and go.......No stay home and be prepared Stored food and water (I live next to a pond, easy water supply) Extra plywood for zombies, Ir cameras, used oil heater, little solar power and planing. Any other ideas or comments welcome.

Natural Selection Works!

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That's one possibility, but SHTF could happen quicker than you think.

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Maj. Poopiepants might consider stockpiling diapers in bulk.

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Well it depends. If they declare martial law and we have a red dawn situation in the cities, or a bio chem attack, you better get our ass out of the city asap. In that case I will head directly to a rural mountian region and set up camp until things settle down. Otherwise, I agree, stay home, stay quiet, keep your head down and let it pass.

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I dunno - not sure I wanna contribute to a thread started by the poster

"Maj. Poopiepants"

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Maj. P and the recently-banned RickW have strangely similar grammar and tone.

Nice that Maj. P could step in to provide the sorts of posts that RickW can no longer give us.

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May I inquire as to where all you expect to bug out to?? To hear most speak half the world is going to head out?? To where and how?????? Look at the reality of evacuation in the hurricanes, impossible. Let's get real guys and gals, unless your there no odds are your not going to make it if and when the shtf.

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Oh ya and plenty of silver to trade, notice the price is starting to rise I wonder who is starting to buy it.

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Very good......:smokin: slick ....very good.

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I agree that it will be slow and steady but if a real SHTF situation happens no one is gonna be able to hop in their car and drive to their retreat like it's a trip to Granma's house. Good luck with that.

I remember the earthquake in the SF Bay Area in Oct. 1989. In Sunnyvale people were blowing through intersections at high speed, (traffic lights were out, I saw a couple collisions), and generally acting all Mad Max. On El Camino Real it was total gridlock and freaked out angry people. Over a medium sized earthquake for Pete's sake!

In a real SHTF scenario you and everybody else getting outta Dodge will be crammed on the highway in bumper to bumper traffic, hell, you may not even make it to the highway before gridlock hits. I hope you drive something that can push overheated cars out of the roadway.

So if anyone thinks they're just gonna calmly waltz out to the hills you are sadly deluding yourself. You may have to kill several people before you even get there, IF you get there.

Better to shelter in place for a week or two while the die off happens.

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yep!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By far better not to have to leave home travel in any form would be difficult
or dangerous if bugout is absolutely necessary be prepared to travel light
and as fast as possible pushbike/foot if need be. maybee those little scooter
things (pushbikes dont need fuel) DONT GET CAUGHT GRIDLOCKED GAURDING
YOUR HOARD OF SILVER AND SURVIVAL PREPS.Think protection water and food.

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I think you always have to keep your options open. This has been discussed before and generally I would say that digging in if you are prepared is the best option.

However you never really know what flavor of S you might encounter so you better be adaptable and keep your options open. I think anyone who is 100% for bugging out or digging in is at a disadvantage.

If you are going to stay at your home base for sure though, you would be wise to already be in a remote location. Remember that both the zombie hoards and government intervention is going to be concentrated in the most highly populated areas.

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Drill you are fast.

E-A

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Ok, given the problems we had, I thought I would repost the picture of the truck that I feel will be a great 'emergency vehicle'. Notice the double bumpers that will 'move' any regular sized vehicle right out of the way. Mine will carry 100 gallons of fuel on the truck in two 50 gal tanks (one per side) and it's a multifuel diesel so it will run on almost anything.

Here ya go:

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1172684851

And for those 'zombies' or 'hitchhikers' that want a ride, I just say "NO"...

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1172685000

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Jump over to alpharubicon and read their article about bugging out. It will make you reconsider your options. Chances are wherever it is you think you are going, is the same place everyone else is going.

Remember the evacuation of New Orleans before Katrina, cars lined up for 100 miles. I saw people on the news saying they spent 12 hours trying to get out of the city and gave up and went back home. As pointed out on alpharubicon, trapped in a 100 mile long traffic jam is just about the worst situation to be in. I live in a rural area 60 miles from a major city. I'm staying home.

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Not too long ago in Pennsylvania.

Epic Traffic Jam: 2 Days, 50 Miles and a Number of Questions

By Barbara Mulligan
Special to The Washington Post
Saturday, February 17, 2007; Page A03

LENHARTSVILLE, Pa., Feb. 16 -- Not a single car or tractor-trailer whizzed past the giant Dietrich's Country Meats billboard on Interstate 78 near this eastern Pennsylvania town Friday afternoon. The highway, finally cleared of traffic and closed in both directions, stretched silently for 50 miles between Allentown and Harrisburg, still partially covered by the snow and ice that caused thousands of motorists to remain stranded for two days.

Back in their local offices, a state representative and a district judge, both of whom had spent a large part of Wednesday stuck in traffic on the highway, were far from silent. Both had been trapped in the 50-mile long tie-up caused by a Valentine's Day storm.



A tractor-trailer accident on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in Bickerville, Pa., yesterday compounded traffic problems caused by weather-related closings of major highways over the past few days. (By Carolyn Kaster -- Associated Press)



State Rep. Jennifer L. Mann (D-Lehigh County), who left Harrisburg at 10 a.m. and did not reach her home near Allentown until more than eight hours later, and District Judge Gay Elwell, who took 12 hours to drive 100 miles between Harrisburg and her home city of Easton, were asking plenty of questions.

"Five or six inches of ice doesn't just fall from the sky in a lump," said Elwell, questioning why Pennsylvania Department of Transportation crews were unable to keep up with snow removal and avoid the accidents that caused tractor-trailers to jackknife in both the eastbound and westbound lanes. "I was sort of surprised at the sparse number of plows, and I was shocked to see that I-78 eastbound did not appear to have been plowed edge to edge."

After crawling along for more than five hours, Mann was able to drive her sport-utility vehicle for about a mile on the highway's snow-covered shoulder to reach the Lenhartsville exit. There, she said, she was stunned to find the local roads were plowed and passable.

"Why weren't they diverting traffic?" she asked Friday in her office. "We have a responsibility to find what happened and what went wrong."

A member of the state's House Health and Transportation Committee, Mann said she will be asking plenty more questions in the days to come, including why entrance ramps weren't blocked to prevent more motorists from becoming stuck in the huge traffic jam.

The backup on I-78 also snarled traffic on connecting highways, including I-81 and I-80, and a tractor-trailer accident led to the closure of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. At one point, the National Guard was called in to rescue drivers who were stranded in their cars and trucks.

Pennsylvania Gov. Edward G. Rendell (D), calling the situation "unacceptable," ordered an investigation by the governor's Office of Administration, along with an independent review by former Federal Emergency Management Agency director James Lee Witt.

"We will fully cooperate with that investigation," said Steve Chizmar, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation in Harrisburg, who also confirmed that PennDOT officials "have no idea" when I-78, along with closed stretches of I-81 and I-80, will reopen.

Ron Young, a PennDOT spokesman in Allentown, said that the agency was unable to divert traffic to local roads because they weren't plowed in all areas. And, he said, barricading entrance ramps was not possible at first.

"We needed additional resources," he said.

Mann said that while emergency aid from FEMA and local sources was slow in coming, local residents took it upon themselves to bring food and blankets to the stranded motorists.

"As serious as it was, things could have been a lot worse," she said, pointing out that no deaths or serious injuries occurred. "In a crisis, people do come together. That's reassuring and comforting."

Maybe not in this case but when help is not comming just watch and see what happens.

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Jim, I can name that poster in two paragraphs.

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...zombies?

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Yes Zombies!

http://zombiehunters.org/index.php

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First, I've got a buddy who was on the highway on the Bug Out from Hoston during Katrina. MANY times he was waved out of the line and allowed to use the median. The LEO's also directed him to 'the road less traveled'. He also was the ONLY one using the diesel pumps at the truck stop. Numerous motorists were PO'ed about the fact that he pulled out of line and drove across a field and skipped waiting what apparently would have been an hour or more to get to the pump. He drives an M109 deuce and his wife drives an M1009 Blazer. Both still sporting the three color camo.

Both use diesel. He said there were numerous people begging him for 'gas' because they ran out. All he could do is shake his head and tell the 'diesel only'. Actually, the duece's six cylinder turbo charged engine will burn almost anything. Diesel, JP8 jet fuel, gasoline (add some used motor oil to make it burn better), and almost ANY kind of biodiesel (home brewed or not) and EVEN on wvo (waste vegetable oil - which means it can burn NEW vegetable oil). These days, given the cost of diesel, new vegetable oil seems like a bargain.

Most LEO's see the vehicle and ASSUME military or National Guard. Given he wears camo pants, a clean t-shirt has really short hair and keeps cleaned shaven and does not give them any different ideas, it works for him.

I just used 'zombie' for those people too stupid to prepare for most situations. Some use the word 'sheeple' but I think that's giving sheep a bad name.

And we have not one, but three bug out sites. Depending upon the circumstances, we have a place up in the southern moutains of Colorado, a large ranch in West Texas or bare acreage north in Wyoming. Not necessarily in that order. No interstates involved, until you get into Wyoming for our northern escape. We have to cross one or two interstates for our southern route, but given the escape routes I've laid out (dirt roads) and researched by traveling them, they are no where near a major city, town or hamlet. So those two interstate intersections will need to be approached with caution, probably during broad daylight so you can see things coming. But the closest bug out is just up in the mountains. We will drag with us all the food, water, shelter, armory, etc that we have, which is a fair amount (hence the need for the large truck).

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About 'alpharubicon'.

First - it's a pay for membership site ($60 a yr).

Second - they aren't taking members

Third - When I queried as to WHY both one and two were as they are I received a 'nasty' email from Trip Williams telling me they don't need anyone with my skills. Basically I could F O.

Geez, REALLY TRIP? Don't need a gunsmith, an NRA firearms instructror? Don't need a gardener or a cook? Don't need someone who knows how to properly persevere anything I grow?

So I sent him an email 'in kind' telling HIM to F O. Short sighted little prick.

But this brings up a very important point. Don't think because your little group on the web loves themselves so much that they think THEY have all the answers.

NO ONE (including myself) has ALL the answers. So regardless of whether you 'bug in' or 'bug out' you can find yourself in for a very scarey process, especially when you run across idiots like Trip and expect civility or worse, hope for help. Cause you ain't gettin it from them. On the other side, I would piss on Trip if he was on fire.

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I know a guy who used to hang with Williams ( The "Alpha" dog ).....from the way he talks, you aren't missing anything not being in their little 'club'.

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No one knows how TSHTF is going to go down, if it goes down. I think the key is to be prepared and to be flexible. If it goes down slowly or like a row of dominoes, most of us are far enough ahead of the curve to see the magnitude of the problem and to implement a bug-out plan while others are still hoping for the government to magically fix everything.

It's possible that even if a large-scale disaster happened fairly quickly, there might be a window of opportunity to bug out before everyone else catches on if one is prepared to move immediately. On 9/11 it was hours before the people around me wrapped their brains around what was happening and took it seriously. Mind you, we were in downtown Atlanta, 2 blocks from CNN and in sight of the headquarters of that American icon, Coca Cola. We're not too far from the CDC and only half an hour from the busiest airport in the country (world?). There were still planes unaccounted for in the air. Were the evacuees heading out to top off their gas tanks? Get money in case the ATMs went down? Go home in case the public trains and buses stopped running? Get their kids from school? Stock up on supplies? No, they were heading to the malls and were quite upset to hear the malls had closed. In a psych class I teach, there's a section of the book that covers high-stress events like 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. For that chapter, I always have my (adult) students write personal disaster plans in lieu of taking a test on the chapter. Even after a class discussion on the topic, their plans are terrible. I can tell you right now that if anything major ever happens, they're pretty much all going to die (but I keep trying...sigh). It will be hours, if not days, before they'd think about getting out of town and get organized enough to do it.

What may be our downfall is that, prepared though many of us are, we have to make that decision to miss work or whatever other commitments we have and go before it gets bad enough to panic the herd. It sounds easy, but during a disaster, no one knows how it's going to unfold. We may not have any idea if it's going to get bug-out bad. We're most likely to be flying blind, hesitating. We may feel foolish packing everything up. Is this "it"? Will I get in trouble with my employer if things turn out not so bad, and there's work tomorrow? What excuse can I use to get my kids out of school? Can I afford to miss work? Can I convince my spouse that we should be prudent and bug out? On survivalist forums, I've seen survivalists in the path of a large hurricane right after Katrina hesitating about whether to leave or stick it out. On 911, I evacuated the building, but I and another coworker stayed late to call down the night students to tell them not to come in, and my husband's boss had to force him to go home. Then we stayed home, 8 miles from downtown Atlanta!

I think that in most scenarios there will be a window to bug out if we act fast, but how many of us will act that fast?